Hi all ive just finished building the unit and its now fitted to the car (Peugeot 205 rally) I have left the standard dizzy on for the time being. I have data from the auto data for the standard ignition curve, it is:
0-6 degrees at1400 rpm
17-21 degrees at 3000 rpm
21-25 degrees at 5000 rpm
Can one of you clever lot out there help me do a base\starting map, then from there I can make a few adjustments
Thanks
Steve
help needed with base map set up
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help needed with base map set up
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Todd Charles
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Thats kinda a funky looking i
Thats kinda a funky looking ignition curve. Does your dizzy have a vacume advance? What is your stock base timing?
Assuming your base timing is 10° then you would need:
10-16° @ 1400rpm
27-31° @ 3000rpm
31-35° @ 5000rpm
You will basically need to plug these figures into the map but spread them out a bit. If you take a look at this screen shot: http://picasso.org/mjlj/?q=node/view/7
Just fill in the left column from 20kpa to 100kpa (assuming you are not boosted) then fill in the top row pretty much like the screen shot. I would not be afraid to use the figures posted in the window between 100kpa and 3500rpm. Just enter the same numbers going accross after 3500rpm and spread the numbers out between cells going down thru the kpa.
Remember when you are tuning that 100kpa is high engine load and 20kpa is low load and you will be fine.
Todd
Assuming your base timing is 10° then you would need:
10-16° @ 1400rpm
27-31° @ 3000rpm
31-35° @ 5000rpm
You will basically need to plug these figures into the map but spread them out a bit. If you take a look at this screen shot: http://picasso.org/mjlj/?q=node/view/7
Just fill in the left column from 20kpa to 100kpa (assuming you are not boosted) then fill in the top row pretty much like the screen shot. I would not be afraid to use the figures posted in the window between 100kpa and 3500rpm. Just enter the same numbers going accross after 3500rpm and spread the numbers out between cells going down thru the kpa.
Remember when you are tuning that 100kpa is high engine load and 20kpa is low load and you will be fine.
Todd
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Todd Charles
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I loaded a MAP to the Files s
I loaded a MAP to the Files section. It should make it easier to configure.
Todd
Todd
Hi Todd, you asked if the sta
Hi Todd, Thanks for the info. you asked if the standard dizzy has a vac advance, yes it does the data i posted come out of a Autodata book under "advanced checks" Ive asked about in the main dealers and as the cars so old they dont have any info on the curve. on the screen shot "type, mode, trigger" what do i put in here, sorry for all the questions but im new to all this. Todd, the screenshots that you gave me the link for, is that windows software ?? If so where can i download it
Thanks
Steve
Thanks
Steve
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Todd Charles
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Not sure what you are asking
Not sure what you are asking on the screenshots and Windows. The screenshots should basicaly be the same as you see in your configuration software for tuning. If you are asking me how to post "screenshots", I have no idea. Those are Brents from the Software link.
Don't worry about the window with the type-mode-trigger stuff. This is just extra stuff for people who want to trigger stuff like shift lights, fans, wastegates, water injection, etc... based on RPM points or MAP pressure. Be sure to set the # of Cyl. window though.
If you use the MAP I posted to the Files section this should get you up and running well. You will want to add a little more timing all around for peak milage and performance but this will get you started safely. If you want some hints on tuning I can post something later if you want.
Todd
Don't worry about the window with the type-mode-trigger stuff. This is just extra stuff for people who want to trigger stuff like shift lights, fans, wastegates, water injection, etc... based on RPM points or MAP pressure. Be sure to set the # of Cyl. window though.
If you use the MAP I posted to the Files section this should get you up and running well. You will want to add a little more timing all around for peak milage and performance but this will get you started safely. If you want some hints on tuning I can post something later if you want.
Todd
Hi Todd, thanks for the info,
Hi Todd,I need a bit more help, please. you wrote
"Just enter the same numbers going accross after 3500rpm and spread the numbers out between cells going down thru the kpa"
Please can you explain a bit more im kinda stuck.
he reason i asked about the software (screenshots) is that it has slightly different layout to mine, i was just wondering if someone had written windows based software ?
Thanks for all your help & sorry for being so thick
Steve
"Just enter the same numbers going accross after 3500rpm and spread the numbers out between cells going down thru the kpa"
Please can you explain a bit more im kinda stuck.
he reason i asked about the software (screenshots) is that it has slightly different layout to mine, i was just wondering if someone had written windows based software ?
Thanks for all your help & sorry for being so thick
Steve
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Todd Charles
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Steve, Have you had any lu
Steve,
Have you had any luck opening up the file I posted to the "File" section. If you can get this downloaded and opened inside the "cofigurator" you will see exactly what I mean. Infact, all the work is done!
For explenations sake, enter the same numbers from the 3500rpm column in the 4000, 4500, 5000, and 5500rpm columns. In the KPA column you only need numbers 10 thru 100. Anything over 100 is "boost". So just fill them in 10kpa apart. hope this makes sense. If not please ask again. I am a little "thick" too!
Oh, and no one has developed a windows program yet but "4600cc" is in the process of building one now and keeps us posted on his progress.
Todd
Have you had any luck opening up the file I posted to the "File" section. If you can get this downloaded and opened inside the "cofigurator" you will see exactly what I mean. Infact, all the work is done!
For explenations sake, enter the same numbers from the 3500rpm column in the 4000, 4500, 5000, and 5500rpm columns. In the KPA column you only need numbers 10 thru 100. Anything over 100 is "boost". So just fill them in 10kpa apart. hope this makes sense. If not please ask again. I am a little "thick" too!
Oh, and no one has developed a windows program yet but "4600cc" is in the process of building one now and keeps us posted on his progress.
Todd