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Newbie Q`s :)

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:27 pm
by azura
Hi,

I am looking at building one of these to fit to my MK2 ford fiesta 2.0 zetec conversion using the standard ford injection.

I`m not exactly sure what version I have to build to run the mjlj on this engine setup, any pointers ? im a bit confused with the map sensor / tps options etc..

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The current version of MJLJ

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:58 pm
by MartinM
The current version of MJLJ is 3.0

MJLJ will do a 2-D ignition map - advance vs RPM only
MJLJ will do a 3-D ignition map - advance vs RPM and MAP
MJLJ will do a 3-D ignition map - advance vs RPM and TPS

You can't have a 4-D MAP (advance vs RPM and TPS and MAP) !

If you want 2-D, you don't populate the TPS or MAP sections of the PCB

If you want 3-D TPS, you populate the TPS section of the PCB, supply and fit a TPS on the throttle actuator and wire it to the MJLJ connector

If you want 3-D MAP, you populate the MAP section of the PCB (including the MAP sensor itself), supply and fit a vacuum pipe from, typically, the manifold to the MAP sensor inside the MJLJ case.

For the MAP and TPS sections of the PCB, see the last but one link on the following (but note there is no picture of a populated TPS section):
http://picasso.org/mjlj/?q=node/495


Thankyou for the reply, Just

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:41 pm
by azura
Thankyou for the reply, Just one question tho...

MJLJ will do a 3-D ignition map - advance vs RPM and MAP
MJLJ will do a 3-D ignition map - advance vs RPM and TPS

Is there any advatage or difference in using MAP or TPS ? or do I need a specific one for my engine setup ?

thanks



Well, it seems to be a

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:17 pm
by MartinM
Well, it seems to be a matter of some debate which is best, IMHO.

Traditionally, manifold vacuum is used, which is why 'old fashioned' ignition systems had a vacuum advance ie a pipe from inlet manifold to distributor to advance the timing when there is more of a vacuum in the manifold.

On more modern engines, there is not always a good take off point for a vacuum, so throttle position is used to advance the timing - driver pushes throttle, therefore is requiring more engine power, so advance is increased to assist this.

I'd say (my $0.02) that if you have a good point to take off a vacuum (which is an average across all cylinders, rather than say a single throttle body), then use MAP. Otherwise TPS.

MAP

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:55 pm
by brentp
I would say go with a MAP sensor based setup as it's a more accurate way of measuring actual engine "load".

Unless you have very aggressive cams that prevent a stable vacuum reading, then you should go TPS.

Also- individual throttle bodies require a mini-plenum in order to attain a good MAP sensor reading, additional work.

Turbocharged engines- I would *always* recommend MAP, as boost pressure can vary wildly for a given throttle position.

Brent



Thank you for your replies,

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:52 am
by azura
Thank you for your replies, I now understand a lot more than I did :)

As for the CPS, I take it I can use the existing one on the zetec ?